Two tech pioneers with contrasting approaches to technology in education

Recently I was catching up on episodes of "Triangulation," an interview show on the network. The network focuses on technology, and guests on Triangulation are often key people from the (near) history of computing. Two recent guests made comments about technology and education, and the difference could not have been more striking. I'll let you judge for yourself.

First, Scott McNealy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, starting at 26:27 and going through 33:33:

Second, Bill Atkinson, early Apple engineer and creator of MacPaint and HyperCard, starting at 17:17 and going through 22:15: